Something or Nothing...

So, me and a friend were talking today and he brought up donut holes... "...donut holes. Is that really such a thing?" "Well, yeah. They take a donut and 'pop', out comes the middle and you have a donut hole." "But isn't a hole nothing? You can't really have a donut hole." "Yeah, but without the donut around it, there would be no donut hole. So the fact there is nothing is actually something." "Well, zero is actually something." "Yeah, in binary." "No, i mean, 'nothing' is actually matter." "Well, I've always said nothing matters.........certainly not this conversation." haha. it was pretty funny at the time. still, that's two minutes of my life i'll never get back. damn. now i'm hungry for donut holes. later